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Beneath the Surface

What If the “Scaling Cliff” Pops the AI Bubble?

Loading ...John Rubino

September 10, 2025 • 3 minute, 45 second read


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What If the “Scaling Cliff” Pops the AI Bubble?

“History as well as life itself is complicated — neither life nor history is an enterprise for those who seek simplicity and consistency.”

-Jared Diamond, Collapse

September 10, 2025 — Artificial intelligence is this decade’s tech success story. And that sector’s stocks — led by the almost supernaturally powerful chip maker Nvidia — are primarily responsible for the S&P 500 and Nasdaq being at record highs.

In just the past five years, nearly a trillion dollars have been thrown at AI data centers, chip plants, and model training. And the spending curve continues to steepen, as pretty much every tech firm and most governments enter the AI arms race.

Early AIs improved in line with the amount of computing power and new data they were fed. This led to the assumption that AI investment had a predictable rate of return (which investors absolutely love).

But with the most recent iterations of name-brand AI, that relationship has broken down. They’re not improving in line with the money being spent on them, leading a growing number of analysts to voice doubt about whether the return on this investment can be predicted going forward. This is known as the “scaling cliff.”

As Chat GPT explains the problem:

The entire LLM arms race assumes smooth scaling. If we’re close to a cliff:

  • Simply making models bigger stops being productive. 
  • Labs must pivot to data curation, architecture changes, or reasoning-focused designs.
  • Many researchers suspect we’re nearing this cliff.

In short:

The AI scaling cliff is the point where bigger no longer means better — when scaling laws break because of data, optimization, or cost bottlenecks. It marks the boundary between “brute force scaling” and needing new approaches to intelligence.

Here are two video deep dives into the scaling cliff concept:

Could the AI bubble burst?

Bubbles, while they’re inflating, take on the aura of inevitability. In the 1990s, the Internet was going to rule the world, and the leading dot-coms would, as a result, grow exponentially forever. In the real estate bubble of the 2000s, home prices would always rise, so no price was too high for a nice house.

Those bubbles popped, catastrophically. That’s the nature of bubbles, and it would be a denial of history to expect the frantic money pouring into AI to return consistent profits. And to expect the broader markets elevated by this bubble to keep rising when the bubble pops.

By every historical valuation measure, US stocks (other than the commodities miners) are well into bubble territory. So it’s wise to build crash protection into today’s portfolios. Long-dated put options on the S&P or Nasdaq are just basic common-sense insurance at this point.

John Rubino
John Rubino’s Substack & Grey Swan Investment Fraternity

P.S. from Addison: We love AI. Specifically, the LLMs ChatGPT, Claude and Perplexity.

Over the weekend, we drafted a 67-page outline and publisher’s treatment of a future book using our own “AI Clone” (as our buddy Chris Daigle would call it).

At the very least, LLMs can collect, organize and describe data that took hours, days and weeks only two years ago when we updated Demise of the Dollar,  Financial Reckoning Day and Empire of Debt in 2003-04 for their post-pandemic third editions. That was time spent in purposeful drudgery I would have preferred to be using to actually think.

We can see how LLMs and other advanced computational platforms will free a myriad of occupations from equal drudgery.

That said, AI doesn’t think for you.

Nor is it any more immune from market forces than routers in the Cisco bust of the 2000s tech wreck or radio transmitters in the great RCA boom and bust of the 1920s.

Grey Swan events – those which you cannot time, but can identify through current trends and historical examples – will pock the innovation cycle as much during the Age of Intelligence as any other age.

Thanks to John Rubino for sharing the growing challenge of AI scalability today.

Grey Swan Live! this week: Mark Jeftovic joins us tomorrow at 2 p.m. ET for “Shadow Fed & the American Dream” — how a September rate cut could hit the dollar’s purchasing power, where the money-market flood might go next, and why “control of money” is migrating from central banks to code, corporates, and courts.

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With a fixed rate mortgage and inflation running in the high upper digits, the real value you of your total debt goes down over time (inflation pays off your loan, as long as your income rises faster in nominal terms). Of course you pay off a lot more interest over 50 years than 30 years. And it takes a lot longer to build up equity (assuming also that house prices don’t fall).

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A bloc of Democrats “crossed the aisle” after weeks of getting nowhere on health-care demands. “We had no path forward… and SNAP beneficiaries were losing benefits,” Sen. Tim Kaine, one of the 7 who conveniently aren’t up for reelection, said.

The new deal funds Washington only through January, tacks on three bills to keep parts of Defense, Ag, and the Capitol complex humming through 2026, reverses shutdown-era RIFs, and restores back pay.

The House is next; the president says he’ll sign it fast when it gets to the Oval Office.

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You know, the kind of stuff that makes your eyes glaze over. And the type of companies we like to hold for the long haul in our model portfolio.

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