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Beneath the Surface

Real Money Tells the Tale

Loading ...Bill Bonner

March 17, 2025 • 5 minute, 15 second read


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Real Money Tells the Tale

“Demography is destiny.”

– Auguste Comte


 

March 17, 2025 — First, the latest news. As expected, Democrats and Republicans colluded to go deeper in debt! Senator Schumer (on why he went along with the Republicans’ continuing resolution):

“If we go into a shutdown, and I told my caucus this, there’s no off-ramp… They could keep us in a shutdown for months and months and months.”

Contrary to popular opinion, the late, degenerate empire is a means of shifting wealth and power from the people who earn it to the people with good lobbyists, connections, status, etc. That’s politics, and it gets dirtier, and more costly, as time goes by. ‘The People’ who pay the bills don’t have time for it. But the insiders who get the loot work at it full time.

It’s the road to imperial decline. And the only ‘off ramps’ are disasters — bankruptcy, hyperinflation, (a losing) war, revolution, or plague.

But the final crisis is probably years in the future. No point in worrying about it.

Meanwhile, from academia, (as reported in the Wall Street Journal) comes more evidence that you don’t rich just by holding stocks ‘for the long run.’ Professor Edward McQuarrie has buried himself in trading records going back to 1792. McQuarrie’s number crunching shows long periods when stocks lose money. They lost a total of 37.4% in the 10-year span leading to 2009, for example. So were they losers in the 10 years before September ’74, August ’39, June ’21, October 1857, and April 1842.

Stocks can also lose money for 20-year periods. McQuarrie names a couple of them. And it’s not just a US phenomenon. Italian stocks lost money for 20 years. So did those of Japan, Norway, Germany, and Switzerland.

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What’s worse…the typical stock has “negative cumulative returns during the period of [its] existence within the 1925- 2023 period.”

This is a shocking disclosure. It tells us that not only might you fall into a 10- or 20-year period in which you lose money…the odds are better than 50-50 that the stocks you buy will never make you any money. Statistically, more than half your investments will be losers. Whether you hold them for the short run or the long term…you’ll be wasting your time.

The key insight from this is that you don’t want to own the ‘average’ stock…and you don’t want to be heavily invested in stocks during a period when they are going down.

As to the second point, our trading system might help. If you look back at McQuarrie’s numbers, you will notice that those 10-year periods of negative returns didn’t show up randomly. In the 10 years up to 2009, for example, investors lost 37% of their money. But what did they expect?

That 10-year stretch began in 1999. What do we know about 1999? It was a year in which stocks were outrageously overpriced…screaming to all who would listen: Get Out! We remember the period; we were among the screamers.

Likewise, the ’74 trough followed the mid-60s stock peak…and the 1939 washout came after the 1929 stock market high. So, in retrospect it is pretty easy to avoid getting caught in a stock market down-swirl; just make sure you don’t own stocks when they are too expensive. And don’t think that however bad they perform in one of these sell-offs, they’ll still be profitable ‘over the long run.’

In the last half century, the deteriorating dollar disguised what was really going on…and a huge increase in debt flattens GDP, corporate sales and profits. But real money tells the tale. You could buy the 30 Dow stocks for 13 ounces of gold in 1929. And now, 96 years later, the price is about the same. The very long run provided investors with no real capital gains.

And now it appears that the price of the Dow, in gold, is continuing a long sweep downward. It began in 1999 at 40 ounces of gold to the Dow…since then, stocks have lost 2/3rds of their value. And just over the last few weeks, we’ve watched the ratio sink from 16 to 15, 14…and now 13.7.

Over-simplifying, whenever the Dow stocks go over 15 ounces to the Dow…we are generally out of stocks and in gold. This discipline would have avoided all McQuarrie’s drawdowns of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Then, when most of the risk has been squeezed out of stocks, that is…when you can buy the Dow for 5 ounces of gold or less…we get back in.

When will that happen?

We don’t know. But it won’t be pretty. If the price of gold stays around $3,000, it would mean the Dow would have to fall to 15,000…another two-thirds drop. Or if gold were to go to $5,000, we’d be looking at Dow 25,000 to reach our trigger point.

Whatever. We’ll wait. And when (and if) we get a Dow priced at 5 ounces…we’ll sell gold and buy every quality stock we can find.

Do we get rich this way? It depends. More importantly, we don’t expect to get poor.

Regards,

Bill Bonner
Bonner Private Research & Grey Swan

P.S. From Addison: In 2024, the AI bubble got ahead of itself. As often happens, one stock – in this case, Nvidia – grabbed all the attention. The MAG 7 went along for the ride.

Now, as is also often the case, the MAG 7 are leading the way down.

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While the S&P 500 is down about 5% year-to-date (red line), the Maga 7 stocks (blue line) are down nearly 17%.

The specific MAG 7 stock getting the worst beating has a political monkey on its back: TLSA.

As such, it’s the biggest loser of the lot.

But, if, as we outlined on Friday, the Trump Master Playbook  goes according to plan, these MAGA-nificient 7 stocks could replace them as the markets shake out the winners from the losers. Our latest research digs in, here.

You’ll want to pay attention during the next few months. The worst-case scenario is as Bill describes above. Stocks don’t just go up en masse. They also go down. Pick your investments wisely, especially if you’re trading in a retirement account. Again, you can review our research here.

Please send your reactions to the MAG 7 falling out of favor with big institutional money and global investors to feedback@greyswanfraternity.com.


Grey Swan Forecast #6: China Annexes Taiwan — Without a Shot Fired

December 26, 2025 • Addison Wiggin

Our forecast will feel obvious in hindsight and controversial in advance — the hallmark of a Grey Swan.

Most analysts we speak to are thinking in terms of the history of Western conflict. 

They expect full-frontal military engagement.

Beijing, from our modest perch, prefers resolution because resolution compounds its power. Why sacrifice the workshop of the world, when cajoling and bribery will do?

Taiwan will not fall.

It will merge.

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December 24, 2025 • Addison Wiggin

Wars, technology races, and political upheavals — all of them rest on fiscal capacity.

In 2026, that capacity will tighten across the developed world simultaneously. Democracies will discover that generosity financed by debt carries conditions, whether voters approve of them or not.

Bond markets will not shout so much as clear their throats. Repeatedly.

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December 23, 2025 • Addison Wiggin

Taken together, the seven Grey Swans of 2025 behaved less like isolated events and more like interlocking stories readers already recognize.

The year moved in phases. A sharp April selloff cleared leverage quickly. Policy shifted toward tax relief, lighter regulation, and renewed tolerance for liquidity. Innovations began to slowly dominate the marketplace conversation – from Dollar 2.0 digital assets to AI-powered applications in all manner of commercial enterprises, ranging from airline and hotel bookings to driverless taxis and robots. 

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December 22, 2025 • Addison Wiggin

Back in April, when we published what we called the Trump Great Reset Strategy, we described the grand realignment we believed President Trump and his acolytes were embarking on in three phases.

At the time, it read like a conceptual map. As the months passed, it began to feel like a set of operating instructions written in advance of turbulence.

As you can expect, any grandiose plan would get all kinds of blowback… but this year exhibited all manner of Trump Derangement Syndrome on top of the difficulty of steering a sclerotic empire clear of the rocky shores.

The “phases” were never about optimism or pessimism. They were about sequencing — how stress surfaces, how systems adapt, and what must hold before confidence can regenerate. And in the end, what do we do with our money?!

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