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Beneath the Surface

Real Money Tells the Tale

Loading ...Bill Bonner

March 17, 2025 • 5 minute, 15 second read


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Real Money Tells the Tale

“Demography is destiny.”

– Auguste Comte


 

March 17, 2025 — First, the latest news. As expected, Democrats and Republicans colluded to go deeper in debt! Senator Schumer (on why he went along with the Republicans’ continuing resolution):

“If we go into a shutdown, and I told my caucus this, there’s no off-ramp… They could keep us in a shutdown for months and months and months.”

Contrary to popular opinion, the late, degenerate empire is a means of shifting wealth and power from the people who earn it to the people with good lobbyists, connections, status, etc. That’s politics, and it gets dirtier, and more costly, as time goes by. ‘The People’ who pay the bills don’t have time for it. But the insiders who get the loot work at it full time.

It’s the road to imperial decline. And the only ‘off ramps’ are disasters — bankruptcy, hyperinflation, (a losing) war, revolution, or plague.

But the final crisis is probably years in the future. No point in worrying about it.

Meanwhile, from academia, (as reported in the Wall Street Journal) comes more evidence that you don’t rich just by holding stocks ‘for the long run.’ Professor Edward McQuarrie has buried himself in trading records going back to 1792. McQuarrie’s number crunching shows long periods when stocks lose money. They lost a total of 37.4% in the 10-year span leading to 2009, for example. So were they losers in the 10 years before September ’74, August ’39, June ’21, October 1857, and April 1842.

Stocks can also lose money for 20-year periods. McQuarrie names a couple of them. And it’s not just a US phenomenon. Italian stocks lost money for 20 years. So did those of Japan, Norway, Germany, and Switzerland.

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What’s worse…the typical stock has “negative cumulative returns during the period of [its] existence within the 1925- 2023 period.”

This is a shocking disclosure. It tells us that not only might you fall into a 10- or 20-year period in which you lose money…the odds are better than 50-50 that the stocks you buy will never make you any money. Statistically, more than half your investments will be losers. Whether you hold them for the short run or the long term…you’ll be wasting your time.

The key insight from this is that you don’t want to own the ‘average’ stock…and you don’t want to be heavily invested in stocks during a period when they are going down.

As to the second point, our trading system might help. If you look back at McQuarrie’s numbers, you will notice that those 10-year periods of negative returns didn’t show up randomly. In the 10 years up to 2009, for example, investors lost 37% of their money. But what did they expect?

That 10-year stretch began in 1999. What do we know about 1999? It was a year in which stocks were outrageously overpriced…screaming to all who would listen: Get Out! We remember the period; we were among the screamers.

Likewise, the ’74 trough followed the mid-60s stock peak…and the 1939 washout came after the 1929 stock market high. So, in retrospect it is pretty easy to avoid getting caught in a stock market down-swirl; just make sure you don’t own stocks when they are too expensive. And don’t think that however bad they perform in one of these sell-offs, they’ll still be profitable ‘over the long run.’

In the last half century, the deteriorating dollar disguised what was really going on…and a huge increase in debt flattens GDP, corporate sales and profits. But real money tells the tale. You could buy the 30 Dow stocks for 13 ounces of gold in 1929. And now, 96 years later, the price is about the same. The very long run provided investors with no real capital gains.

And now it appears that the price of the Dow, in gold, is continuing a long sweep downward. It began in 1999 at 40 ounces of gold to the Dow…since then, stocks have lost 2/3rds of their value. And just over the last few weeks, we’ve watched the ratio sink from 16 to 15, 14…and now 13.7.

Over-simplifying, whenever the Dow stocks go over 15 ounces to the Dow…we are generally out of stocks and in gold. This discipline would have avoided all McQuarrie’s drawdowns of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Then, when most of the risk has been squeezed out of stocks, that is…when you can buy the Dow for 5 ounces of gold or less…we get back in.

When will that happen?

We don’t know. But it won’t be pretty. If the price of gold stays around $3,000, it would mean the Dow would have to fall to 15,000…another two-thirds drop. Or if gold were to go to $5,000, we’d be looking at Dow 25,000 to reach our trigger point.

Whatever. We’ll wait. And when (and if) we get a Dow priced at 5 ounces…we’ll sell gold and buy every quality stock we can find.

Do we get rich this way? It depends. More importantly, we don’t expect to get poor.

Regards,

Bill Bonner
Bonner Private Research & Grey Swan

P.S. From Addison: In 2024, the AI bubble got ahead of itself. As often happens, one stock – in this case, Nvidia – grabbed all the attention. The MAG 7 went along for the ride.

Now, as is also often the case, the MAG 7 are leading the way down.

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While the S&P 500 is down about 5% year-to-date (red line), the Maga 7 stocks (blue line) are down nearly 17%.

The specific MAG 7 stock getting the worst beating has a political monkey on its back: TLSA.

As such, it’s the biggest loser of the lot.

But, if, as we outlined on Friday, the Trump Master Playbook  goes according to plan, these MAGA-nificient 7 stocks could replace them as the markets shake out the winners from the losers. Our latest research digs in, here.

You’ll want to pay attention during the next few months. The worst-case scenario is as Bill describes above. Stocks don’t just go up en masse. They also go down. Pick your investments wisely, especially if you’re trading in a retirement account. Again, you can review our research here.

Please send your reactions to the MAG 7 falling out of favor with big institutional money and global investors to feedback@greyswanfraternity.com.


Bonfire in Timber (Prices)!

November 19, 2025 • Addison Wiggin

Timber is among several commodities declining this year. Oil, down 15%. Wheat minus 10%. Egg prices have gotten over the avian flu and are down 80%.

Lower commodity costs are good for consumers. They offset tariff costs to wholesalers. And they are good for this year’s political pet issue, “affordability.”

But they also reflect a sore spot in the overall economy. Lower demand for timber, a key component in housing, means builders aren’t building.

Many economists interpret lower timber prices as a sign that the economy is already in recession.

Bonfire in Timber (Prices)!
The Debasement “Trade”

November 18, 2025 • Mark Jeftovic

Bitcoin isn’t a trade and trying to time it with chart patterns generally does not work.

I’ve never really felt like technical analysis carried much real predictive edge in general and when it comes to BTC, I’ve seen too many failed “death crosses” to change my opinion.

The one that just triggered in mid-November as bitcoin flirted with $90,000 is just the latest.

What really matters? It’s a monetary regime change – if market participants are trading anything it’s getting rid of a currency (“it’s the denominator, stupid”) for a store of value – and we’re seeing it in spades with Bitcoin and gold.

The Debasement “Trade”
The Cult of Stock Market Riches

November 18, 2025 • Addison Wiggin

White-collar hiring is, in fact, slowing. Engel’s Pause is taking hold of the jobs picture.

In the meantime, everyday Americans are rediscovering an ancient truth: there is wisdom in wearing steel-toed boots.

Jobs that struggle to attract bodies in boom times are now seeing stampedes of applicants.

– Georgia’s Department of Corrections: applications up 40%.

– The U.S. military: reached 2025 recruiting goals early.

– Waste management staffing: applications up 50%.

For now, economists call this “labor market tightness.” Anyone who has ever scrubbed a grease trap knows it by another name: fear.

The Cult of Stock Market Riches
Whales Buy the Bitcoin Dip

November 18, 2025 • Addison Wiggin

Bitcoin has historically weathered 30%+ corrections while still in a bull market. 

Global liquidity fears and lower odds of a Fed rate cut in December are driving bitcoin and other cryptos lower at present. 

As Andrew Zatlin described on Thursday’s Live! we can expect a series of stimulus efforts next year, ahead of the midterms, driving new liquidity. The $2,000 “tariff rebate” checks President Trump has been touting are but one example.

When higher liquidity hits the market – in whatever form it takes – today’s bitcoin buyers will be waiting.

Make like the whales, and use market selloffs and stimulus to your advantage.

Whales Buy the Bitcoin Dip